Shinari

    Defending the Goddess

    Tuesday, March 20, 2007, 11:12 AM [General Spirituality]

    In an opportune post written by DJ Rama at Journey Folki community, Rama exalted the Goddess. His post was made in love and appreciation of beauty of the Divine Mother. You can read it here.


    Everything was going well, until a fundamentalist bigot (Totus) came along and started spouting dribble by calling us names and falsely accusing us. He was adamant about using logic and reasoning, but the only reasoning I saw him use was circular-reasoning, lol.


    DJ Rama eloquently responded to the asinine attack of the so-called Christian. My response is posted below. I have added inside square brackets [ ] comments so that the discussion may make sense to the reader. I have added in bold the crux of my argument.

    (I repeated on saying, "I will excuse your ignorance" because I was being cheeky, lol, since Totus was adamant about how ignorant we were about the subject.)




    Totus: "Yes, the world needs love, but this whole 'resurrected godess' idea is nonsense."


    Me: Maybe you haven't heard of the Goddess before. But our Romani Clans have been worshipping the Goddess for millenia. I excuse your ignorance. Are you of Romani background?


    Totus: "I would love to know where the reason is behind her."


    Me: You lack sincerity to know the reason, Totus. You spend a post disparaging a Goddess belief, and yet you want to learn the reason behind Her? You will only see reason if you are willing to be taught. Which, by all accounts, it seems you are closed minded to the ideology of the Goddess. So it seems you are not here to even consider our point of view, as you said, "One can't reason her out. Shes not real. She doesn't exist."


    Totus: "Nature [referring to the Goddess] is simply a creation of God."


    Me: The Goddess is not Nature. I will excuse your ignorance.


    Totus: "It [creation] doesn't have a soul or anything else."


    Me: What composes nature? Do animals compose nature? If so, why would Elohim give animals "nephesh", that is, soul (Genesis 1:30)? I will excuse your ignorance.


    Totus: "Sounds to me like a group of very uneducated people have smuggled themself into a belief that whatever they will to be truth is truth."


    Me: You are jumping to presumptuous assumptions. I will excuse your ignorance.


    Totus: "There is only one God. There has to be."


    Me: For your information, I believe in One God. We have believed in One God since we have believed in the God and Goddess. If you don't understand the Duality of God, do you then understand the Trinity of God?


    Totus: "Reason and logic does not allow there to be more than one [that is, reason and logic does not allow there to be a God and a Goddess]."


    Me: Allow me to use the Christian Canon to respond to your "reason and logic".


    Young's Literal Translation of Genesis 1:26-27, "And God saith, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that is creeping on the earth.' And God prepareth the man in His image; in the image of God He prepared him, a male and a female He prepared them."


    Allow me to elaborate on these verses for those who find the reading of the Christian Canon a little baffling:
    1. God here is transliterated as "Elohim".
    2. Elohim is a plural form of God - technically speaking, the word Elohim possesses a plural intensive syntax. Hence, the "Our" and "Us" references to God.
    3. Elohim decided to create "man". The transliteration of "man" in this verse is "'adam" and the word is best translated as "humanity". I digress to explain this to reveal the male dominated influence which often caused a mis-translation of the Bible, which steered away from Truth and rather propagated a False Religion.
    4. "Man", or better said, "Humanity" was created IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
    5. The IMAGE OF ELOHIM is expressed in both MALE and FEMALE (Duality).


    Elohim is represented in the flesh by the archetype of male and female. Elohim is God. Elohim is Goddess.


    The Christian Canon is very clear on this. There are many references in Hebrew manuscipts and history of a Goddess. Who and what are not clear are institutes and people who twist the Scriptures for their male-oriented, spiritually imbalanced and malicious purposes.


    Totus: "The point of my post is Rama, your contradicting yourself more than anyone else I have ever met or read, and I wish to pose the question as to how, in logic and reason, can the existence of "the goddess" be explained. It can't. The unthought through "beliefs" you speak of Rama have no basis at all, except that they were made up centuries ago."


    Me: Totus, I believe that Rama knows exactly what he is saying - we have talked extensively on the subject. However, I only see you making assumptions, proving your ignorance, and clearly coming into a discussion with prejudiced and biased views of God.


    Totus: "History does not even support the goddess. Although, history, logic, and reason all support God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit."


    Me: Totus, what historical references do you have that don't support the Goddess? Please make some quotes, I'll be very interested what they are. I'm sure you will find some great historical accounts where history doesn't support the Goddess since you are such an educated and learned man, as you clearly imply. Good luck on your search.
    I'm wondering, have you even considered Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Oriental, American and Australasian, Greek, Eastern and Western European, and so on, history? How can you say that history doesn't support the Goddess when all the histories of these civilisations do?


    Totus, you want to be convinced? But by your very attitude, you don't come here with a desire to learn, but rather disparage. Quite sad really. I wonder if you could have a civil discussion without belittling us or disparaging our beliefs? I would then be most glad to continue discussing with you.

     



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    Shinari, you totally rock! Even though I believe you were banging your head on a rock, you did it so eloquently!

    I think I read somewhere that "Elohim" originally referred to a group of female angels. But I might be confusing it with something else (which I have been known to do).

    Pixie Styx
    March 20, 2007
    11:29 AM CST

    You would think that one would know their own beliefs before bashing those of another. You did an excellent job of handling this...and coming from a christian background, I know the scriptures - You used them well and he could not do anything but spout the same old tired crap because he doesn't know them. I have a friend who has a patent on the word TRUTH. His formula says Truth= Reason, Logic, and Compassion. I kind of like that.

    I have a 16 yr old neice who just had a baby and married, and people are cruel to her...I tell her to just say My Aunt Amber is a pagan witch - she laughs...but she says it, and they shut up and attack me instead. Since I am not there, it doesn't matter to me, and it gives her peace. I'm not sure why I thought of that, but I did...lol Your son is beautiful and I've met your wife...

    Morning Rain
    March 22, 2007
    06:56 AM CST

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